I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. used 2jz is about 3500-10000 $. '84 Euro 500SE, '85 Euro 2.3-16, '51 Euro 170S, '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport, '15 G63 AMG. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. How much power can you get out of the 16v? : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. 20cm is slightly too long). This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. cheap way ,and use procharger instead. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. I did all the swaps and all the work myself. How to get your M119 5.0L V8 running optimally? Removed the front bumper, upper radiator support, radiator, condenser, and engine harness. Ive heard opinions that Toyotas 2JZ was heavily inspired by this M104 series, which came out a year before the 2JZ (and ofc the earlier M103 and M110 series from the late 70s). Yes, I'm putting the 1995 E420 Special Edition on the block for a number of reasons which I'm not going to expound on here about. CLK, W209. Mrten competes in a special 2003 Mercedes CLK we first covered in 2015. Mounting the 190E A/C manifold to the engine block introduces a problem where the A/C compressor can no longer be mounted to the accessory bracket. Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. Also depends if you are willing to take on a "mechanic's special" that is cheap because they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. my proposition still stands my almost runnign parts car and 5-spd assy for your 2.6 5-spd. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL. MB 300E 24v Turbo MS3X. Take whatever "positive vibes" translates to monetarily and treat your 036 with a barrage of restorative upgrades and needed and not-so-needed service and maintenance and probably still have some money to buy $5k euro headlights. Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. articles/m104.98x_motor_swap_in_a_190e.txt, W201 (specifically 1992-1993 190E 2.6, other models need adaptation). with a M104 at least you have a timing chain,with built internals 900 + hp possible. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. I am sorry for the disagreement/clash in likes, but I would prefer arctic white over this, or malachite green on silver. Black striped white vacuum line for throttle body, Remove overflow pipe to coolant reservoir, Wiring under both headlights and loom ties, Bolt on driver side securing pipe to chassis, Disconnect supply and return lines on pump, Return behind ignition coil, 17mm and 14mm, Disconnect main engine wiring and set aside, Disconnect auxiliary wiring and set aside, Cruise control servo (8 pin connector under ABS pump), Crankshaft position sensor (front) underneath X92, Disconnect exhaust downpipes from exhaust manifold, Disconnect transmission shifter linkage(s), Suggest removing entirely to avoid bending the rods accidentally, Disconnect transmission slave cylinder fluid line (manuals only). Power will be greater with an LS swap. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. Yup, that's John's car. via Oppositelock. AMG would be nice and or a V8. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. Team Lovetap is a Swedish drift team started by driver and fabricator Mrten Stngberg. I believe that the M102, M103 and M104 bellhousing patterns are the same, meaning you can mount a 5-speed transmission from a 300E or 190E onto your M104. Alright, putting a 94 M104 into a 89 2.6 5spd W201 (Green/Black). torque using the old KE Elctro-Mechanical Fuel Injection like that used on the older m103 Inline 6. If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. I was just giving you a hard time. Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. Hi Adriano. I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. The sedan rides on Yellow Racing coilovers, OZ Future wheels (179,1712), CL600 front brakes, and 300TE rear brakes. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. haha, no worries! I guess a V8 it sorta out of the questionand seems kinda pointless. Was real nice. Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. you really should join the 190 forum (sorry, i don't have a link) as Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! it isnt a direct swap. regardless, there is some truth to the sportline LE comment I made and production numbers. History, Power & Specs of the Engine M104 2.8 L M104.900 3.0 L M104.98x 217 to 228 hp@ 6400 rpm 265Nm (195lbft@ 4600) (with cat) The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. Time laps build of my 190e 3.2 M104engine swap,mercedes,190e,mercedes 190e engine swap m104.942 test,mercedes-benz m104 engine,w201 m111 m104 190e mercedes s. i think you would need to splice int he wiring harness from the 104. it is alot of work if i had to do this i would do a m117 swap. In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! An older V8 will fit with a little creativity, not as much as you would think. Power is sent through a 4-inch driveshaft to a BMW E34 differential modified to fit the factory Mercedes subframe. I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Then swap in a 2.65-2.82 differential (in place of the 2.24 granny gears) and, optionally, a 5.0L engine. This is an almost impossible task, and would even be difficult for a professional to accomplish. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. A solution to fix this is to use the M104 A/C manifold (104 230 04 56 is NLA, aftermarket solution: Four Seasons 55586) and have both hoses custom made. The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. Not needed anyhow. Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). If you really want to get speed though, deff change the brakes. I haven't done much looking into the nitty gritty details myself when it comes to the electrical side of the swap, I just know it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. Yeah, I've got a thread going over there too. I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. Lower hose is only about 20cm long. changing the clutch and pulling out m104 engine on my 2.0 W201 190Eswap,320e,e320,w124,m104,m104 3.2,mercedes-benz,plasme cutting,mercedes,,190,190e,. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? Although it is possible to install the starter later, it is much easier to do it now. Sweden for a dyno tune. Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. Bolt starter to the engine before lowering. Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. The engine is mated to a Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox using a Sachs Motorsports pressure plate, Tenaci Motorsport 200 mm clutch discs and flywheel. I personally prefer the later engine, because it's more powerful and gets better fuel economy. The steering box is in fact in a different location on the M102 cars versus the 6-cylinder M103 cars. all that accumulated grease and oil. Install without transmission. Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. easist way for me would be add two injector before throttle body, let a a along ecu to fire them with rpm sensing. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. ..looking in that engine bay I understand why, https://teamlovetap.com/the-only-w209-driftcar-in-the-world. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. With such a light car I don't think you need more than 300. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? Hi i'm looking for some information on swapping my w201 (2.0 automatic) for a manual 2.8 m104. All bolt-in, no welding required. It's 80%. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. When you find one, buy it. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. What engine can fit into this car? I would like to put an engine in mine that puts out at leat 300maybe 255+. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. ya dont destroy a 5-speed sportline. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. In order to use the M104 CIS intake box, the supply line must be swapped. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. ugh! Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. It is the newer 24valve m104 engine. It's lacking power to spin the big heavy 18" AMG monoblock wheels it came with, so I'm looking into an engine swap. Has a black W201FTW vanity plate. For reference: I've owned/own 2 M104 swapped 190Es. What can be done and how much will it cost? JavaScript is disabled. The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. Connect common ground at intake manifold. Haven't taken it to the track yet but I know it has over 220bhp. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? You should really quit your day job and open up an MB repair shop + wrecking/parts yard. I've always wondered why people make the wagons accept V8s when it might be easier to make the sedan a wagon (shooting brake, if you will). Since then the car has seen a lot of action. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. As a side note, the block has over 150k on it and the bores are still within a thou of origional specs, there are no ring marks at the top and you can still see the factory cross-hatch. Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. Is that a street car? Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. I think you meant steering box/column from a w201 (not W210) W103 is what you meant. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. In sweden used m103/m104 cost about 250-750 $. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. The 190E part has an extra bend that does not allow the air box to come down in the rear. 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