But it doesnt demand for that though. See Genesis 35:23, Deuteronomy 21:15, Joshua 6:26, 1 Chronicles 3:1, and Hebrews 11:28, where firstborn is also used this way. And if he had met sister-in-law, such as Marys sister in John chapter 19, he wouldve utilize the Greek word, [Greek 00:47:36] thats used in the book of Ruth to describe Orpahs relationship with Ruth. Youre talking about giving someone salvation prior to their sins? For example, although Josephus seems to defend what is equivalent to the Protestant canon, scholars recog-nize his propensity for exaggeration. I would say the church subsist in the Catholic church though other non-Catholic Christians have an imperfect communion with the church. Now Steve has said, Well, they were assumed into heaven alive and if Mary died, she would not be assumed into heaven. But thats not the case. Christie then nailed a 32-yard field goal in overtime, sending the Bills to 5-4 on the season. Ill point to Mary in sacred tradition. Is primary meaning of adelphos that you have the same biological mother and father? And so if it doesnt contradict scripture, then it should be an issue between Catholics and Protestants of secondary importance, much like how people disagree about infant baptism. They also didnt believe in the dogma either. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. Mounce writes, Nicodemus politely says Jesus is a teacher; but when Nicodemus does not understand the necessity of a spiritual rebirth, Jesus questions his status as the teacher, an authoritative rabbi (A Teacher or The Teacher?). If she is not righteous, then Jesus did not redeem her and she is still dead in her trespasses and sins. Good, because you know what? Select this result to view Steven Luke Christie's phone number, address, and more. The fact that Mary died does not show that she had original sin or that she inherited original sin or that she committed a personal sin. Whether youre up to speed or not on the contents of the Deuterocanon, this is an insightf. Of course, this objection becomes a problem for Protestants since by this standard, many of their doctrine like sola scriptura, eternal security, sola fide would also arrive too late in church history to count as being apostolic. On July 2, 2007, Christie joined the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League by signing a practice roster agreement with the team. Thats why theyre diverging traditions on whether Mary died or not, but you dont find the first denial of Marys assumption until in the late early middle ages. Okay. Christie kicked a successful onside kick, which he recovered himself (becoming the first placekicker ever to do so in an NFL playoff game), and also kicked the game-winning 32-yard field goal in overtime. Zacharias' daughter, Sarah Davis, posted a message on the website of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries on Tuesday, titled " Ravi Zacharias, Now With Jesus ," confirming that the . It comes from agoyforJesus who Im now beginning to assume is your co-laborer. All right, so the Bible does not say that Mary committed a sin. And so moving from that, that if Jesus Christ did establish the church, if Im confident of that and in its teaching authority, then I can be confident in what the Pope teaches about Mary in regards to those two dogmas but I can especially have confidence knowing that what is taught does not contradict scripture. I agree that it is used predominantly of Jesus, talking about salvation from sin, but I would say read the context. Heres my thought on that. Christian apologist accused of denying fundamental truths. As far as Jesus brothers and sisters, I probably have studied that more than anything else and that would probably be the hardest for me to accept or maybe Mary being sinless because I mean, Trent, you got a seven year old, its like is as good as a kid as he is based on who his parents are. Calvin did not believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary. In Luke 1:28, the angel uses it as a descriptor of Mary within a personal address, similar to how John the Baptist used the lamb of God to speak about Jesus, and that talks about the significance there. Its a very beautiful open community and you get free daily podcasts and I think youd really enjoy it. Though a mere chip-shot, from 32 yards, the three-pointer enabled . Both the Old and the New Testaments also use firstborn to indicate firstborn among other siblings, such as Esau being Isaacs firstborn and Ruben as Jacobs first born, meaning they were not firstborns out of their fathers wombs, considering men dont have wombs, but firstborn among their other children. It refers to a natural sister as well or a biological [inaudible 01:15:42]. As I showed earlier, you have people like Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, who were firmly I would not call them Catholic. In order to show these dogma contradict scripture, Steve must do one of two things. When Jesus mother and brothers approach him later in verse 31, Jesus contrasts his biological brothers who dishonored him with his disciples, who were his spiritual brothers, who did the will of God. Though, I will say the Septuagint was completed only within a few centuries, possibly even one century, by the time of Jesus crucifixion. Heres one, Trent, I dont like and I wonder what you think about it. So as far as I know, I dont know offhand but that doesnt mean that its not being used. And I showed counter examples to that in each of those cases. Rather, biblically the church is every individual sinner who God has redeemed out of the world to be a slave to our master and Lord Jesus Christ, every individual sinner. Okay. She would have to have a heavenly body. Mary did not need to be immaculate conceived since sin is not a trait that is passed down physically, but a spiritual condition. By contrast, some quoted Sirach as a book of Scripture, though it was eventually excluded. An interview with Steve Baughman. Steve's musical talents may have roots in his genes. Theres more to it than that. Ravi Zacharias has long been recognized as one of the most respected of Christian apologists. Well, Scripture seems silent on the matter, not resolved, but at least it doesnt contradict Scripture, then I would say we should treat the Marian dogmas like youre a Protestant. Its like, because-. When we talked about there being universal truths about sin, we both agreed on that. As I said before, thats not what were debating today. So the protestant reformers like Luther and Zwingly, did they believe Mary was a perpetual Virgin and were they committed to Sola scriptura? Because I know every one of these points you could go back and forth on a lot, but lets try to keep it to just the main response and then a response to the response. But that doesnt mean that we cant show veneration and respect towards the things that God has made and those people who have cooperated with God in salvation history. So this question comes from Mitchell Godfrey, and Im going to just change his question a little because he said he is not going to be watching live. The Buffalo Bills officially signed Christie to a one-day contract, thus to retire as a Buffalo Bill. Christie requested his release from Jacksonville after a week in camp hoping to retire, but signed with the New York Giants a day later, playing what would be his final NFL season. Its a good question. Qualification, rates and payments will vary based on timing and individual circumstances. The Story of Reality: Apologist Greg Koukl Discusses His New Book. James White: Steve Ray is a Dolt, Dunce, Imbecile, Idiot, and Ignoramus *** [] What is clear is that Ray has not seriously interacted with anything other than this kind of "Jack Chick/Dave Hunt . Thread info Bookmark this thread Trash this thread. Just like that Scripture includes things within it that are not necessarily scientifically accurate, scriptures without error. Well, the answer to the question needs to be in relation to applying it elsewhere in scripture because theres a lot of people that are mentioned in scripture that doesnt say that they had any children. What about the other Marian Dogmas? So you cant use Matthew 1:25 to prove Mary and Joseph had sexual relations. Thats the purpose of their assumptions. Mary was able to do something that Jesus didnt. In his recent book Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller, Protestant apologist Steve Christie claims that all Christians should accept the Protestant Old Testament canon and reject the deuterocanonical books of Judith, Tobit, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1and 2 Maccabees, and portions of Daniel and Esther. Lets take a look here. What is pure fiction cannot be used as factual evidences. So lets just stick to scripture. Stephen Christie has been at the top of the Real Estate Industry for 30 years. Can a conclusion be infallible if the underlying logic is false? All right. The word savior is used consistently in the New Testament to refer to a savior of sins. They can live out the gospel teaching in their unique holy family. He is the host of the popular, award-winning film series on salvation history, . Massive thanks to those who support us at locals and on Patreon. Really enjoying this. This is an example called eisegesis of Scripture. He says, this is a question for Steve. In his work The Bible is a Catholic Book, Akin notes of the Pharisees canon that the boundaries of this collection were still somewhat fuzzy. Steve Christie also has his own website. He is also a registered nurse and Steve discusses the challenges of balancing ministry and a career. Because thats what the Catholic Answers encyclopedia states. FEIN: 47-5459301. He became sinner. Well, in my own personal journey of faith, I think I had some difficulties with the immaculate conception of Mary and Marys bodily assumption, but I think I was able to move through those difficulties by broadening my understanding of what is the ultimate source of authority for Christians that its not Sola scriptura because the Bible itself doesnt even teach that. Trent mentioned about dying once. Worshiping Mary as if she takes the place of God and is the one who secures our salvation as if she died on the cross or something like that. If anything, Revelation chapter 12 verses one through six describes Mary being in heaven. Apologist, any of the Christian writers, primarily in the 2nd century, who attempted to provide a defense of Christianity and criticisms of paganism and other aspects of Greco-Roman culture. So I think its important that each of us, we dont have a problem with We might have a problem how to apply it but the basic level mother of God isnt contradicted by scripture. Let no one dwell in their tents. This is later applied in Acts 120, but not to a group of people, to an individual, namely Judas. So ultimately, weve seen this and I think whats important to remember all of this, that these dogmas do not take the place of Christ. So if Jesus has adelphi, he must have had sisters who were born of Mary. Also the Greek word for brother, its not always you to represent full brothers. And then whenever you start speaking, Ill click the time. Im a little disturbed about the comment about anything in Scripture being in error, because if we cannot trust that when it says about Jesus being our savior and rising from the dead. Well, the kinsfolk, you can have relatives that dont know very much about you or misunderstand you. Now, does the Bible teach that everyone has sinned? I agree with what that person teaches. This is a great resource to have, and the beautiful photos of the children in the womb speak for themselves. You can see him and others talk about this on the Reason and Theology Channel. Okay. They also didnt believe the Gospels or other New Testament documents were inspired, so they dont have a great track record when it comes telling us what is and isnt Scripture. So lets tie all of this up a little bit. The last one to be accepted was the bodily assumption of Mary. Yeah. 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